Tom Hanks and Kristine Pearson holding a Freeplay windup radio
Kristine Pearson with Tom Hanks, who knows the power of radio

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Video didn’t kill the radio star: Thoughts from an Irishman in Rwanda

January 25, 2012

Written by Frank Reidy, a radio journalist and former Irish Army Major, in honour of World Radio Day.

Video certainly did not kill the radio star and the much vaunted demise of radio has just not happened.  Indeed radio, like cinema has flourished after the initial onslaught of television in the early sixties.  New media and new challenges face radio in a digital age and market dominated by the internet and web based solutions.  But for most of Africa and those in the developing world the transistor radio pressed to the ear is the ubiquitous image.

Frank Reidy

The high-minded model of radio espoused by the first Managing Director of the BBC John Reith: “educate, inform and entertain”, still has relevance in the era of commercial broadcasting and the public service model has survived into the digital era.  For most Africans the colonial and post-colonial era  radio stations such as the BBC World Service, Deutche Welle, Radio France, Voice of America provide services far beyond those any indigenous stations focused on.  Concepts such as fairness, impartiality and accountability were stressed in this public service ethos.  In the Cold War era radio was seen an intrinsic element of foreign policy with any development potential seen as a secondary spin off.

In the day to day struggle for survival in many parts of Africa, particularly rural Africa, Reithian concepts have little or no meaning. That does not mean the radio audience is not discerning and it recognises instantly what it likes to hear  and it knows what is good radio.  Like audiences elsewhere Rwandans love to hear themselves through their drama, music, debate and discussion.  The radio soaps neither patronise or preach but integrate into plots, sub-plots and character that which is most familiar: themselves.  With clever story lines agricultural advice is woven seamlessly into twice weekly episodes. Health advice is not pushed but is again part and parcel of the plot and debate, within the programme structure.  Debate and discussions rather than diktat is the preferred route.

But without radio receivers all the high quality programming in the world would just vanish into the ether.  The notion of having a radio in every room in the house, in the car or truck is a concept alien to so many Africans.  An old radio requires keeping it “fed” with batteries – a luxury beyond many.  The all-singing, all-dancing phone that is also a radio and MP3 player is a still a distant dream for so many.

Working in rural Rwanda in the years following the genocide I witnessed first hand the power of radio.  Radio was a force for evil in those terrible days of 1994. The then Government used the airwaves to foment hatred and division.  But radio could also be used to foster reconciliation, democracy and good governance.  The post-genocide generation now faced the HIV/Aids epidemic.  Child-headed households, with little or no state help or intervention faced a bleak future.  Both the local and international NGOs struggled to cope but with goodwill and much effort a corner has been turned.

Kristine Pearson instructing on how to use a solar and wind-up radio

It would be foolish to ascribe to radio any notion of being a panacea. But as part of an integrated model for development, radio has been a game changer on so many levels.  Small things make big differences.  Can you imagine a farmer not listening intently to accurate weather forecasts?  Health advice is listened to because it is a matter of life and death.

Then, to the radio itself.  The simplest is often the best and when you have it right make it better.  The wind-up technology Kristine Pearson showed me in a Kigali hotel back in 1999 has certainly moved on.  It was very good then and it is even better now.  And you don’t need focus groups or action plans to tell you the joy radio has brought to rural Rwanda.  I saw the reactions, I felt the joy and I know that the simple invention of the wind-up radio has achieved so much.

The challenges facing Africa are changing with its climate.  And radio in its many guises will have a key role to play.  Sure, the technology will change and the radio programmes will be cleverer and better.  But without radio that does not need to be fed with expensive batteries, it could all be in vain.  As they used to say here in rural Ireland:  “Turn it on and turn it up”.

During his 25 year military career Frank Reidy served in the Middle East with the UN and in Rwanda on secondment to GOAL, an Irish NGO. A graduate in Communications Studies from Dublin City University, Frank lectured in the Irish Military and on retirement was a researcher and reporter with the Irish state broadcasting company RTÉ. While serving as County Director Rwanda for Refugee Trust International in 1999/2000 Frank implemented a radio distribution programme in partnership with Lifeline Energy. The programme focused on child-headed households and widows of the Rwandan genocide.  Project Muraho in 2004/5 brought Frank back again to Rwanda. In partnership with Care International and Frangipani, 7,200 of Lifeline Energy’s radios were distributed.

Energy Poverty, Kerosene and Lifeline Energy

September 22, 2011

By Yannick Vuylsteke, intern at Lifeline Energy

I started interning at Lifeline Energy in May, after completing my Masters at SOAS. Having grown up in Africa and as the son of parents working in development, I thought that I had a pretty good grasp of what to expect and the issues I’d be working with, however, my time at Lifeline Energy has taught me that there is still so much I don’t know!

Before working at Lifeline Energy I was quite ignorant about the idea of energy poverty and viewed problems such as kerosene as a necessary evil on a continent that has no immediate solution to energy issues. I hadn’t realized the extent of energy poverty and how deeply it can affect issues such as health. I now know that solutions do exist, and I think the challenge lies in changing perceptions about how people affected by energy poverty view their lives. This can be done through providing them with sustainable access to information and education.

Another thing I’ve learnt at Lifeline Energy is how the simplicity of radio or light does so much more than what you would expect. It’s not just about being able to have on-demand access to information, or a light to study in the dark. It’s about the opportunity that these simple, clean solutions provide to improve people’s prospects and make better, more informed decisions about their daily lives. There is no doubt that access to clean, safe, sustainable energy should be a basic human right, and I think this is an urgent issue that Lifeline Energy is championing.

Africa is and should be for Africans, and it is them who should be making the decisions to drive them forward. I think the best thing we can do, and what Lifeline Energy does, is give them the tools and a platform for them to make better decisions, together, about their future.

I’ve always wanted to work with and for African countries, and Lifeline Energy has made me even more enthusiastic about this prospect.

What grad school doesn’t teach you

September 19, 2011

By Erin Roberts, intern at Lifeline Energy

I’ve been interning at Lifeline Energy for three months and so far it’s been an incredible learning experience.  I’ve learned more about how development occurs on the ground in two months than I did in a year of graduate school.  When I first started, I knew that much of sub-Saharan Africa was off the grid, but I hadn’t conceptualized what this meant for daily lives.  For example, I didn’t realize that millions are still lighting their homes and fueling their stoves with kerosene.  Kristine’s blog really highlighted the dangers of kerosene for me as well.  Some of the statistics about energy poverty are staggering.  The fact that some people are forced to spend 40 to 60 percent of their income on kerosene makes it impossible to break the cycle of poverty.  The gender dimensions of energy poverty are also sobering, as is women’s lack of access to information in many parts of sub-Saharan Africa, both of which Lifeline Energy addresses.

I was struck by how much the lives of young women were changed simply by having access to solar lights.  Access to radio also has a transformative effect on the lives of women and girls.  In one report I read, it was revealed that after forming listening groups, Somali women in Kenya’s Dadaab camps began talking about important issues like FGM and gender-based violence, which is the first step to stopping both practices.  In fact, some women reported that they had decided not to submit their daughters to FGM because of information they received through the radio broadcasts.  It hadn’t occurred to me that something as simple as a radio or a light could change people’s lives so much. It definitely hadn’t occurred to me that my own life would be transformed in the course of three months, but it has.

The team here at Lifeline Energy is amazing.  I’ve learned a great deal from each one of them and I would like to thank them for making my time here at Lifeline Energy enjoyable.

The power of community radio in the Internet age

September 9, 2011

By Birgitte Jallov, founder of EMPOWERHOUSE.

Cholera outbreaks were a recurring problem in Dondo, Central Mozambique, resulting in 200 painful deaths each year. Once the community radio station started broadcasting health programmes in Sena and Ndau, the local languages, people understood how they got ill and changed their behaviour. The next year no one in Dondo died from cholera.

In the age of the Internet and cell phone, community radio remains a powerful way for people to connect, learn and discuss issues important to their lives. Like the name would indicate, a community radio station is built and run by a community.  It usually has a relatively small footprint (up to 60 miles) and broadcasts in the local language.  Community radio station licences are based on not accepting funds from political parties or supporting one political party or candidate over another, and are owned, managed and run by community members. Although they may receive donor funding to start, they have to be sustained by the community in the long term.

Communication strengthens grassroots development

A community radio station is an essential development tool. It provides a vehicle for true empowerment and grassroots development. When the community station is owned and run by local women and men overall community involvement is strong. Gaining access to accurate information and having an opportunity to voice opinions through call-in shows or by working with programme production at the station, the community can use the radio station to address problems and find lasting solutions.  When the radio station is ‘ours’, listeners trust the programming.  There is confidence in what is aired, advice is more likely to be followed, and positive, social change can take root.

Community radio has been used to stimulate social change the world over since the 1940s in Latin America and the US, and in Europe since the early 1970s. Since the early 90s it has increasingly been recognised as a powerful tool for empowerment in communities tackling social, political and economic development challenges, not least in Africa. Hundreds of community stations in South Africa, Mali, Mozambique and Niger, for example, all broadcast locally relevant content – news, health, agriculture & environment, education, rights, announcements, and so forth.

Rosa from Radio GESOM in Chimoio, Mozambique

In addition, community radio is effectively used for celebration, preservation and further development of local culture.  For example, many community stations in South Africa broadcast ‘stories of the ancestors’, which is an important cultural component of life. When the radio station airs in the local language, new pride blossoms as I saw in Tanzania with a Maasai community who said to me, “through our own radio station, we got our identity back!”. In Ghana, traditional chiefs have adopted community radio to interact with their people.

Empowering women by giving them a voice

Issaka Maïmouna Habibou, Director of ’Radio Communitaire Terá’ in Niger

It has taken a while to get women behind the microphones in many communities: women traditionally work in the home, in the field, as well as walk to collect firewood and water. Taking the lead in public is quite foreign to the role of women in a rural African context. But this notion has changed in many communities, realising that, actually, women are at the core of the family and the community. It is women who tell the stories about the past and pass on the traditions to the young ones. Women also want to learn about women’s issues from a woman’s voice.

Women station managers are still not commonplace. But where they are, the stations are often more sustainable. In Terá, Niger, 140 kms outside the capital Niamey, it was Issaka Maïmouna Habibou, who received me in the Director’s office. And all the people working at the station were women. She explained that the station’s money had disappeared along with CDs and equipment. When the radio board had finalised their investigation, letting those with long fingers go, only women were left.

In most African countries, literacy is still a challenge. Large populations are not sufficiently literate to read a newspaper or to use the Internet actively. This is where radio still comes into its own as a communication tool and will continue to do so for a long time to come.

Birgitte Jallov is the founder of EMPOWERHOUSE, an organisation that assists communities, non-profits, governments and funders with finding integrated solutions to create and strengthen community radio. Her book ‘Empowerment Radio – Voices creating a community’ will be published soon. To learn more about community radio contact Birgitte on birgitte.jallov@mail.dk. Follow EMPOWERHOUSE on twitter.

Enabling Students to Study Safely

May 13, 2011

Project manager Chhavi Sharma distributes lights to students in Nairobi slum

Little Bees School is run by Mama Lucy Odipo in Starehe, a densely populated section of Nairobi’s Mathare Valley slum. Lifeline Energy has been working there for more than three years. Kristine Pearson, Lifeline Energy’s CEO, and I were there to distribute solar-powered and wind-up Lifelights.

When questioned about their study habits, they told us that they usually read by the poor flame of a candle or koroboi, the traditional kerosene lamp made from tin cans. Even then, their use is economised and carefully budgeted, so that the kerosene can be made to last as many days as possible.  All members of the household have to share it, as there is no electricity in the area.

The children use the substitutes for electricity, i.e. the candle or koroboi, to study and do their homework in the evenings, but cannot do so for more than 20-30 minutes at a stretch, as the smoke greatly irritates their eyes and often makes them spit up black soot, they went on to explain.

The hazardous and undesirable effects of candles and kerosene on indoor air quality, which result in health – especially respiratory – issues and accidents, such as burns and fires, is well documented. These children, some as young as 12 years old, confront these problems on a daily basis, since they also use the candles and korobois to go to the communal toilets and assist their mothers with household chores, like preparing the dinner, washing the utensils and making the beds, after dark.

The children told us that the lights will enable them to study for one or two hours every night, giving them enough time to complete their homework. They believe ti will improve their academic performance in school over time. This was extremely important to them, as some of them are gearing up for national exams at the end of this year, which will gain them entry into secondary schools. In addition, the lights will help them feel safer by making it easy for them to spot thieves lurking in the alleyways and snakes and scorpions, when they walk to the toilets in the dark. Household size averages five in Starehe and all will now benefit.

The distribution of the lights was empowering for so many children and their families, and extremely moving for both Kristine and myself, as it gave them access to a practical tool that will help change their lives and brighten their future in more ways than one with immediate effect.

A Tribute to Victor – a Hero of the Starehe Slum

February 17, 2011

By Kristine Pearson

Women and men who devote their lives to making a difference for others are publicly honored as ‘heroes’ by CNN, Time magazine, Skoll Foundation and others.  I believe that the real heroes are those unsung, unrecognized people living in the communities they serve who are often living in dire poverty themselves.

One such hero was 31-year old Victor Ochieng. Victor had worked his way up from security guard to headmaster of Little Bees, a school built beside a refuse dump in Nairobi’s sprawling Mathare Valley slum.

In 2008 I was introduced to the much loved, irrepressible, larger than life, 60-year old Mama Lucy Odipo,  a community organizer and founder of the Little Bees School.  The school is situated in Starehe, a seven-hectare maze of rusty iron roofed shacks and shops, muddy alleyways, and rocky streets.  Mama Lucy received a Lifeline radio through a women’s group and she invited me to visit the school.

A colleague and I arrived to the parking area next to the sign (land) ‘grabbers will face necessary action’.  We walked down a slope criss-crossing the muddy, smelly stream of sudsy wash water mixed with raw sewage, which flowed into a narrow tributary of the brown Nairobi River that was choked with garbage.  We turned right into an unmarked dark passage just wide enough for two people and heard the sound of children laughing.  It was recess.


“Welcome to Little Bees, my name is Victor.”  A tall, thin man wearing khaki trousers and tennis shoes extended his hand to me with a smile. He told me that he was the head of security and proudly showed me around. Victor escorted me to the small playground, packed with children playing on equipment that included a rickety jungle gym, an upside down wheelbarrow and a seesaw.

On one side of the playground were sheet metal, dirt floored, sand flea infested, makeshift classrooms filled with second-hand desks.  Each classroom only had one small window. On the other side were two brick classrooms. I could see that they were building a second floor with plastic tarp walls. The children were all shimmying up and down a rough-hewn ladder as if it were stairs with a railing. It made me very nervous, but no one else seemed to be. The toilets were overflowing, as evidently the municipality had not emptied them. Little Bees would be condemned in America or Europe.

Nonetheless, the 20 orphans taken in by Mama Lucy and the 180-day students, many of whose parents were destitute, were as playful and full of life as any child in an upmarket school. They crowded around me and welcomed me with a song.  Their red and blue uniforms with white shirts were patched and mended hand-me downs, most of which did not fit. Every day the children ate a hot meal prepared by volunteer mothers from the neighborhood cooked in a big iron cauldron over a wood fire. Although hugely under-resourced, the children were loved, fed and thriving. Victor adored the children and they clearly loved him.

Primary education is free in Kenya.  There is an acute shortage of schools in slums. Non-formal schools like Little Bees spring up to provide an education offered by volunteer teachers, who may not have a teaching qualification.  Victor told me how much they appreciated listening to the school lessons broadcast by the Kenya Institute of Education on our radio, especially for subjects like science and maths.

A few months later, I returned to Little Bees and Victor greeted me like a long lost friend, telling me that he’s ‘moved up’ to librarian and head of procurement. I had a Tom Hanks Day t-shirt with me given to Lifeline Energy by Kevin Turk, an American who raises funds for us each year through his International Tom Hanks Day fundraising event. It was too big for the children, so I gave it to Victor.

As I was taking some video, Victor reappeared in his new t-shirt and I casually ask him if he knew whom Tom Hanks was? He thought for a minute and said the he did not.  I asked him to guess.  Here’s the sweet video.

VictorandTomHanks

Over the next few visits, ‘Tommy Honks’ as Victor called him became an inside joke between us and we always laughed about it.

Last year in May, before the World Cup, I gave Victor a Vuvuzela in the colors of the South African flag. It was the first one that anyone had seen (other than in a newspaper) and Victor swiftly became the Pied Piper of Starehe. As he blew it and the children followed him around the school and into the street.  He was so proud of his new ‘trumpet’ and he loved entertaining the community.

Every time I’ve been in Nairobi, probably nine times in the past three years, I have visited Little Bees.  Each time Victor had been promoted – from security, to procurement, to librarian to social studies teacher, to deputy headmaster. Victor’s life was the school and he was always making renovations and improvements. On my last visit he was being groomed to take over as headmaster, enabling Mama Lucy to slow down.

I emailed Mama Lucy in January to tell her I was coming to visit. She wrote me back and told me that Victor had been murdered.  He went out at night to buy medicine for his young son, Meso, when three thugs stabbed him in the stomach and snatched his cell phone.  He died later that night in Kenyatta Hospital.

When I visited Little Bees twice in early February, sadness filled the air.  I learned that Victor, who was survived by a young wife and two young children, was Mama Lucy’s fourth born son, out of 15 children. She had never mentioned that Victor was her child. She didn’t want me to think that he had been promoted out of nepotism, but instead because of his abilities, devotion and dedication to the children – the ‘little bees’.

Victor was buried on 12 February at his birthplace in Kisumu, in Kenya’s Western province at a funeral attended by hundreds of mourners.

How this slum school survives on so little is a miracle, but how it will survive without Victor I don’t know.

Living in a Nairobi slum where the conditions of life are unspeakable in 2011 – overcrowding, inadequate housing, the paucity of basic services, the lack of quality health care, combined with high levels of violence and insecurity  – where a life is reduced to a cell phone, is nothing short of a human rights abuse.

Victor was robbed of his phone and paid for it with his life.  And now Mama Lucy was robbed of a son, the school was robbed of devoted role model and leader and humanity was robbed of a hero.

Please let us know if you would like to make a contribution to the Little Bees School, which can either be done through Lifeline Energy or sent directly to Mama Lucy.


Radios for the referendum in Southern Sudan

January 11, 2011

By Kristine Pearson

Radio remains the most important communications medium in sub-Saharan Africa, especially so in Southern Sudan.  With electricity, cellular coverage and Internet restricted to a handful of cities in an area the size of Texas, radio remains the only technology that can reach isolated groups. That said, batteries outside towns and trading posts are hard to come by and expensive, making rural communities even harder to reach.

Picture courtesy T Thielen

From late 2006 to 2008, Lifeline Energy shipped 265,000 of our solar and wind-up radios to Southern Sudan in support of a broad-based civic education initiative spearheaded by the National Democratic Institute (NDI). The radios were deployed to support Let’s Talk, a 30-minute weekly programme covering a host of issues – political transition, rights and responsibilities in a democracy, the new constitutional framework and political processes. Providing listening access through our power-independent radios not only helped ensure access for women and youth, but also enabled people to listen to topics of interest like the weather, news and educational broadcasts. Let’s Talk was broadcast on Sudan Radio Service and Miraya FM, the south’s most popular station.

In a country with less than 50 miles of paved roads, delivering these huge consignments was no easy task, as evidenced by the trucks transporting radios stuck in the mud on the Juba-Yei road. The responsibility of distributing the radios fell to NDI’s partner NGOs working in the southern states for use by listening groups.

Juba-Yei road

Our project manager, Chhavi Sharma, and I travelled to Juba in February 2008 to work with NDI’s on-the-ground partners to help create a training programme. Although I had been to Khartoum, it was my first trip to the south. The training, attended by about 40 local and international NGO staff of the partner NGOs, took place in a community centre overlooking the Nile. Literacy levels in Southern Sudan are some of the lowest in the world and for women, literacy is an appalling 8%. Therefore, the training had to be highly visual and pictorial. Teachers and community leaders were identified as radio guardians, but we understood that many might never have operated a radio before.

Radio training programme in Juba

The lack of infrastructure makes feedback difficult to obtain.  However, I am confident that our blue radios have made a positive difference to people’s engagement in this week’s referendum to decide whether or not Southern Sudan should become Africa’s 53rd state.

I have watched with immense interest the television images of the long and patient queues of high spirited women and men wearing their best clothes and baking for hours in the sun waiting to stamp their thumbprints on the ballot paper.  It brought back fond memories of 1994, when I waited for several hours myself to vote in South Africa’s first democratic elections on the second of three election days. The role that radio played in informing around those elections cannot be underestimated either.

Village Savings and Loans Project in Burundi

July 23, 2009

This post was written by Chhavi Sharma, Lifeline Energy’s Project Manager, after a recent trip to Burundi.

Last week I visited Burundi in the Great Lakes region of East Africa for a village savings and loans project in which our Lifeline radios will play a role. Targeted at adolescents girls aged 14-22, this project seeks to provide financial literacy, sexual and reproductive health, human rights and essential life skills information to enable girls to make informed choices and decisions to ensure their economic and social well-being – critical skills if you live in one of the poorest countries in the world. The project will have a radio component to supplement face-to-face training, as educational programming is being developed and Lifeline radios procured to distribute to the girls in the interactive Solidarity Groups.

Conducting a focus group with adolescent girls in a slum outside of Bujumbura

Conducting a focus group with adolescent girls in a slum outside of Bujumbura

Georgette, a 20-year-old I spoke to in Gitega province, said she had joined her group of 30 girls to learn how to save money, manage her finances efficiently and escape her misery. A secondary school drop-out, she was unable to complete her education as she began suffering from weak eyesight, a direct result of studying by the fire at night. So often my colleagues and I hear heartbreaking stories like this – and of how candles and kerosene have damaged people’s eyesight.

A mother of two young children at the age of 19, Irene in a slum outside Bujumbura echoed Georgette’s sentiments. She said she wants to get into the habit of saving money regularly to expand her small business – buying palm oil and reselling it at a higher price – and providing for her children. She presently lives with her parents, who help with living costs. Irene is excited that the girls in her group get together every week to talk about the problems they face in their day-to-day lives.

A woman giving her testimony during a Solidarity Group meeting in Gitega

A woman giving her testimony during a Solidarity Group meeting in Gitega

Georgette, Irene and the other girls I met were particularly interested in receiving Lifeline radios, as they will provide dependable access to programming especially created for them and their needs. In addition to reviewing savings and loans principles for the girls, the broadcasts will introduce these concepts to their families and larger communities, thereby increasing support and acceptance of the project. Discussions around the programmes will also help solidify relationships within the Solidarity Groups and ensure that the girls strive together for a more promising future.


Off to a good start

February 5, 2009

Photo: Chhavi Sharma/Lifeline Energy 2009

Photo: Chhavi Sharma/Lifeline Energy 2009

For two days now we have been working with Trust & Care, a local organisation run primarily by volunteers providing a variety of support to vulnerable children. Over two days we have met 40 children who are the heads of households, looking after for their younger siblings. Most have been orphaned by HIV/AIDS.

For today’s distribution we are travelling a little further off the tarmac road – taking a turn onto a little used dirt track that would eventually lead us to a small school where the children would be waiting. The winding, bumpy road went past garden plots of banana trees, bean stalks and coffee plants and where turning a bend we came across a group of young people – one of whom was carrying a bright blue Lifeline radio.
Laurence, 20, looks after three younger siblings and attended our training session the day before. As a subsistence farmer, she was taking her new radio with her to listen to while she tended her garden plot. It was great to see her putting her radio to use, but I had to have a bit of a laugh as well – despite the big handle on the radio and our cheerful instructions during the trainings to “carry it like a handbag!” Laurence was holding the radio in her arms like a baby, with the bottom of the radio nestled in the paper packing carton that came with the box.

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Child-headed households in Bugasera District

February 4, 2009

Photo: Chhavi Sharma, Lifeline Energy 2009

Photo: Chhavi Sharma, Lifeline Energy 2009

When I first heard the term “child- headed household” in the context of Rwanda, I thought immediately of course of the genocide and of the countless orphaned children left to care for younger siblings. As we prepare to mark 15 years since catastrophic event which left a million children orphaned, the phenomenon of child-headed households is not subsiding – children continue to be orphaned as a direct consequence of acts committed during the genocide. The area we were in today is especially affected – Bugasera district is an area where many Tutsi families were settled following a government programme in the 1950s and consequently was heavily targeted during the genocide. Today’s children are dealing with the effects of the incredibly high number of rapes that occurred. Bugasera now has high rates of HIV/ AIDS and most of the children we were meeting were orphaned because of it. Some had been orphans for as little as two years, while others for as long as ten years.

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